
Tony Iommi has told Classic Rock that producer Andrew Watt approached him in the early 2020s offering to make a final Black Sabbath album with all four original members — Ozzy, Geezer, Bill Ward and Iommi himself. It would have been the follow-up to 2013’s 13, the first Sabbath album in 35 years and the only US number one of their career, which Bill Ward never played on.
Iommi turned it down. Three years later Ozzy said the one thing he regretted about 13 was that Ward wasn’t on it. Ozzy died in July 2025, which means the album Watt was offering can now never exist.
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What Iommi actually said
The offer came from Andrew Watt — the producer who made Ozzy’s final two solo albums, 2020’s Ordinary Man and 2022’s Patient Number 9, and who has since worked with the Rolling Stones and Pearl Jam.
Iommi’s account, to Classic Rock: he’d met Watt when he was producing Ozzy. Watt was very keen, and a bit too excited.
Then the reasons.
“He also didn’t know what it was like working with the original Sabbath, working with Bill.”
And: they’d already done 13, and he didn’t like the idea of now here’s another album.
That’s it. No acrimony, no falling out. A man who’d been through the process once deciding he didn’t want to go through it again, from a producer who — in Iommi’s reading — didn’t understand what he was volunteering for.
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The quote that changes everything
Here’s what almost nobody covering this today is going to put next to it.
In 2022, Ozzy was asked by Stereogum whether he felt good about where 13 left things. His answer was not kind.
He said no, not really — that he didn’t get a charge from the album, that Rick Rubin was a good friend but he was just singing, that it was like stepping back in time but not to a glorious period. That Geezer did a lot of the lyric writing, which he’s very good at. That it wasn’t an earth-shattering experience.
And then this:
“The only thing I really regret, to be honest, is that Bill Ward didn’t play on the album. It wasn’t really a Black Sabbath album.”
He went further. He said he wasn’t ruling out that one day they might all go in a room and come up with the perfect Black Sabbath album — and that 13 wasn’t recorded the way Sabbath recorded records, that they’d gone back past the point where the band took charge, to when someone else had full control. Which, he said, they’d never done from Vol. 4 onwards.
Andrew Watt was offering exactly the album Ozzy described. Original lineup. Bill Ward included. From the producer Ozzy had just made two records with and clearly trusted.
And one of Iommi’s stated reasons for declining was Bill — the precise thing Ozzy said he regretted.
I’m not suggesting Iommi was wrong. He’d lived through the 2012 contract collapse and he knew what the room was like in a way none of us do. But the shape of it is hard to look at: the one man who could have said yes said no, and the singer who wanted it most never got told there was an offer on the table at all, as far as any of this reporting suggests.
Why Bill Ward wasn’t on 13
The context that makes the whole thing make sense.
Ward was initially on board for the 2011 reunion of the original lineup. In early 2012 he stepped away, describing what he’d been offered as an “unsignable contract” that did not reflect his contributions to the band. In May 2012 he formally announced he was declining both the scheduled dates and the album sessions.
So 13 — the first Black Sabbath album in 35 years to feature Ozzy, Iommi and Geezer Butler — was made without its drummer. Brad Wilk of Rage Against the Machine played on the record. Tommy Clufetos, Ozzy’s regular touring drummer, handled the live shows.
And Rubin’s first suggestion for the chair was something else entirely: Ginger Baker of Cream.
Iommi’s reaction, to Rolling Stone: “I thought, ‘Bloody hell?’ I just couldn’t see that.”
Wilk got the job instead.
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What 13 actually achieved
Worth stating clearly, because it complicates the “it wasn’t really a Black Sabbath album” verdict.
It went to number one on the Billboard 200 in June 2013 — the first US number one album of Black Sabbath’s entire career. Forty-three years, and the reunion record is the one that did it.
It also entered the UK chart at number one. The last time Sabbath had topped the UK chart before that was October 1970, with Paranoid — a gap of forty-three years there too.
Commercially it’s the most successful thing they ever released. Ozzy’s own verdict on it was that he didn’t get a charge from it. Both of those are true at once, which is fairly typical of this band.
Where it sits against the rest of the catalogue is a separate argument, and we’ve ranked every Black Sabbath album here.
The Rick Rubin stories are extraordinary
The reason Iommi wasn’t keen to go again is scattered across a decade of interviews, and it’s the funniest material in this whole story.
Rubin’s opening instruction was to forget they were a heavy metal band. Geezer’s account, to SiriusXM’s Trunk Nation: Rubin played them their first album and told them to cast their minds back to when there was no such thing as heavy metal, and pretend this was the follow-up to that. Geezer’s verdict — a ridiculous thing to think.
On what Rubin actually did: Geezer said he still doesn’t know. It was “yeah, that’s good,” “no, don’t do that,” and when you asked why, “just don’t do it.”
On the vocals: Geezer said Ozzy went nuts one day after doing about ten different takes with Rubin saying each time that it was great but to do another one. Ozzy’s response — if it’s great, why am I doing another one? — and then he lost it.
On the amps, and this is the best of it. Rubin wanted Iommi to use 1968 amplifiers. Iommi told SPIN he pointed out that was fifty years ago and his had blown up long since. He arrived at the studio to find twenty different vintage amps waiting. Rubin said they were vintage. Iommi said that doesn’t mean they sound good, they’re just old. He tried all of them and liked none of them.
And the summary line, also to SPIN, when asked what he’d learned from working with Rubin: “Yeah, I learned how to lie on the couch with a mic in my hand and say ‘Next!’”
Read all that back and “I didn’t like the idea of: now here’s another album” starts to sound less like reluctance and more like a man who’d done his time.
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The follow-up that was already half-written
The other detail worth knowing: there were songs.
In 2014, Geezer said they had four tracks left over from the 13 sessions, and that maybe they’d fill in another four or five and put out a second album — if it was right. Not for the sake of it, not for the money. But maybe.
Ozzy, around the same time, told Abu Dhabi’s The National that if they had another album in them he’d do it, though he hadn’t discussed it with the others and his solo career was going well. His line: time is not on my side any more.
By 2015 he was more guarded, telling NOLA.com he didn’t want to say there was going to be another album because he didn’t want to be asked a year later what happened to it.
Then the farewell tour was announced instead, launching in early 2016, and Ozzy confirmed the record had been scrapped. His reasoning was pure showbusiness: an album would take three or four years, and if they made one and it went to number two, people would say it was over. “There’s only one more place you can go after No. 1 and that’s No. 2.”
So the material existed. The appetite existed, on Ozzy’s side at least. And when Andrew Watt turned up offering to finish the job with the full original lineup, the answer was no.
How it actually ended
The original lineup of Black Sabbath — Iommi, Osbourne, Ward and Butler — played together for the last time at Back To The Beginning, a charity show at Villa Park in Birmingham on July 5, 2025. All four of them, in their own city, for the first time in twenty years.
Ozzy died seventeen days later, on July 22, 2025. He suffered a heart attack at his family home near Chalfont St. Giles in Buckinghamshire and was airlifted to Harefield Hospital, where he was pronounced dead. He was 76.
Which means the last thing the four of them did together was a concert rather than a record — and given what they built, and what the four of them started in Birmingham in 1968, there are worse endings.
But there was an album on offer, and now there isn’t.
TL;DR
- Tony Iommi has revealed to Classic Rock that producer Andrew Watt offered to make a final Black Sabbath album with the original lineup in the early 2020s.
- Iommi turned it down. His reasons: Watt was “a bit too excited,” didn’t understand what working with the original Sabbath and with Bill Ward was actually like, and they’d already done 13.
- Watt produced Ozzy’s final two solo albums, 2020’s Ordinary Man and 2022’s Patient Number 9.
- Bill Ward didn’t play on 13 — he withdrew in early 2012 over what he called an “unsignable contract.” Brad Wilk of Rage Against the Machine drummed on the record instead, after Rick Rubin first suggested Ginger Baker.
- 13 was Black Sabbath’s only US number one album, and their first UK number one since Paranoid in October 1970.
- In 2022 Ozzy said his one regret about 13 was that Ward wasn’t on it, and that it “wasn’t really a Black Sabbath album” — while leaving the door open to making “the perfect Black Sabbath album” one day.
- The original four played together for the last time at Back To The Beginning in Birmingham on July 5, 2025. Ozzy died on July 22.
FAQ
Why did Tony Iommi turn down a final Black Sabbath album?
He told Classic Rock that producer Andrew Watt, who approached him in the early 2020s, was “very keen and a bit too excited,” and didn’t understand what working with the original Black Sabbath lineup — and specifically with Bill Ward — was actually like. Iommi also said that having already made 13, he didn’t like the idea of immediately doing another album.
Who is Andrew Watt?
An American producer who worked on Ozzy Osbourne’s final two solo albums, 2020’s Ordinary Man and 2022’s Patient Number 9, and has also produced for the Rolling Stones and Pearl Jam. He met Iommi during the Ozzy sessions and subsequently proposed a Black Sabbath album with the original lineup.
Why wasn’t Bill Ward on Black Sabbath’s album 13?
Ward was initially part of the 2011 reunion but withdrew in early 2012, describing the agreement he had been offered as an “unsignable contract” that did not reflect his contributions to the band. Brad Wilk of Rage Against the Machine played drums on 13 instead, with Tommy Clufetos handling live duties.
Was 13 a successful album?
Commercially, hugely. It debuted at number one on the Billboard 200 in June 2013 — the first US number one of Black Sabbath’s career — and also topped the UK chart, their first there since Paranoid in October 1970. Ozzy Osbourne was less enthusiastic about it artistically, telling Stereogum in 2022 that he “didn’t really get a charge from the album.”
When did the original Black Sabbath lineup last play together?
July 5, 2025, at the Back To The Beginning charity concert at Villa Park in Birmingham. Ozzy Osbourne died seventeen days later, on July 22, 2025, aged 76.
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